What is your Favorite Dragon?

There was recently an extended discussion about the holy dragons in TA:K, so I decided to make this poll to see what is the opinion of everyone. This poll is for your favorite dragon, not the strongest one, so please keep that in mind while voting. I also know that Aerial Juggernaut is not really a dragon, however it is the equivalent of a holy dragon for Creon. Multiple choice is allowed and vote canceling is also allowed.

Jug and Sea Dragon suck

Jug silver is as good as 2 dragons golds lol , i mean jug silver versus tar and ara dragon golden.

It can be used to drop like a roc ^^

black dragon and neo dragon rules xD

Am I the only one whose favorite dragon is the Ancient one?

well...idk for me the black dragon looks like just came out from Hell, it is badass
and neo dragon is a nightmare machine lol
are my favourite :p

I like the Ancient Dragon and the Ariel Juggernaught.
Then I like the neo dragon and the skyknight.

I dont like the gold, black, and sea dragons because they were always the favorites. Drakes are fun, but skyknights look cool if you ask me. And neo dragons because they freeze is fun to use.

If you want badass... the 3rd party Darox is badass.

nope, 3rd party azurian rocks!

Forgot about that jerk. Azur dragon the Aqueon is a fucking jerk!

I know this topic is old..few on here aren't old now, but I like the black dragon for it's looks, speed and targeting ability. Ring of fire attack is just awesome and fast. Golden dragon is good too, just a little slower and seems small in scale..or maybe its just its green circle when selected that is small. Earthquake attack is big in area, but a little slow. Ancient dragon looks really fierce and fits Zohn perfectly, but it has a lot of trouble targeting air units and its line of sight circle is of center so it actually sees behind itself better than in front. Shock ring attack is small in area, but hits harder against buildings. I'd definitely fix it's targeting bug if I could. Sea dragon is decent and definitely looks aquatic. A good all around dragon really. Tsunami attack is is again smaller in area, but hits a bit harder. The Arial Juggernaut is just annoying. Hard to kill when it's attacking you and uses its bombs randomly when you are attacking with it. I think it's attack needs re balancing. It's arrow is too weak and it's bombs are too strong
The only thing I don't like about sky knights is how slowly they turn around, but I guess they have to have SOME weakness. The drake is a lot of fun to swarm with, but I think they need a defense boost. One Drake (tier 3) can be killed easily by a few archers (tier 1). Neo Dragons are a bit over powerful if you ask me. To the logical mind there is no way a contraption of wood, metal and leather can out maneuver a flesh and bone dragon. They need to turn just as slow as the real thing. I also think them having the single freeze and area freeze insta kill attacks is a bit much.

secretfire6 wrote:

The Arial Juggernaut is just annoying. Hard to kill when it's attacking you and uses its bombs randomly when you are attacking with it. I think it's attack needs re balancing. It's arrow is too weak and it's bombs are too strong

Well, I'd be surprised if arrows were strong and bombs were weak. Arrow is a bird killer, bombs are anything killer (if I'm not mistaken they shoot flying units too).

secretfire6 wrote:

To the logical mind there is no way a contraption of wood, metal and leather can out maneuver a flesh and bone dragon.

Scale and bone dragon, actually.

Best Ever wrote:

secretfire6 wrote:

The Arial Juggernaut is just annoying. Hard to kill when it's attacking you and uses its bombs randomly when you are attacking with it. I think it's attack needs re balancing. It's arrow is too weak and it's bombs are too strong

Well, I'd be surprised if arrows were strong and bombs were weak. Arrow is a bird killer, bombs are anything killer (if I'm not mistaken they shoot flying units too).

secretfire6 wrote:

To the logical mind there is no way a contraption of wood, metal and leather can out maneuver a flesh and bone dragon.

Scale and bone dragon, actually.

Yes, Aerial Juggernaut's bombs shoot flying units too and when thrown against flying units they also fly much faster than normal air-ground bombs. In order to be astonished by Juggernaut's destructive potential, it is better to try it versus Iron Plague missions or against the machine. Of course, you can not exploit Juggernaut with the same ease during online games, but a unit which has a tons of health, bombs that destroy anything and can transport troops has the same capabilities no matter the level of the opponent.

About Neo Dragon, it actually seems in the beginning Cavedog planned in having Neo as the 'holy dragon' of Creon, but later changed that to Juggernaut, possibly due to the awesome power of the second. I don't think it is strange that the Mechanical units of Creon can surpass the magical ones of other races. A mundane group of archers can kill a ferocious Sky Knight easily, an army of Beast Riders can wipe out a deity's avatar, why Neo ones should be an exception?

My main complaint with the weak arrows and strong bombs comes from the fact that when you want to specifically target a unit with the juggernaut, it uses the arrow, while the bombs target units randomly. So if you attack an aramon base with it you have buildings, strongholds watchtowers and other tougher things you want to destroy and the jugg tries to do it with its little arrow while it lobs bombs at horesmen, archers, spyhawks and other things it can't hit. I know there are some tricks to get it to attack what you want, but it takes it much longer to do what the dragons can do and needs lots of babysitting. I usually just send the jugg in after other units have taken out or destracted the anti-air defenses.

If the neo dragon had been Creon's 'holy dragon' then I would have no problem with it at all as it is, but since it's supposed to be their answer to sky knights and drakes and can be made en masse I think it needs to be at least less manuverable. The only other unit that I can think of that has both a single target and area target instant kill is the mind mage (though it's conversion and not kill, you still loose those units) The mind mage is balanced by the fact that it is limited in mobility, can be converted/stoned/frozen, has no other means to defend itself and is pretty easy to kill. The neo dragon can fly, cannot be converted/stoned/frozen, has another weapon to attack/defend with and is pretty tough to take down.

secretfire6 wrote:

I know there are some tricks to get it to attack what you want

If I'm not mistaken, the best you can do is move closer to the target you want, and press S to reset the units orders.

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If the neo dragon had been Creon's 'holy dragon' then I would have no problem with it at all as it is, but since it's supposed to be their answer to sky knights and drakes and can be made en masse I think it needs to be at least less manuverable.

I don't think Neo is an answer to drakes and sky knights, Neo is much more expensive. Neo is a unique Creon unit, with unique Creon characteristics (appearance, blue fire and ability to freeze enemies).

I love the Neo Dragon and gold dragon. in single player a gold dragon can wipe out entire zhon bases with one wave (if crusades balance is off). People under estimate the ancient dragon, but i think it is as good or even better than black and sea dragons. I want to have a dragon battle one day. like have everyone make there dragon, delete all other units and truly test each ones ability. and sky knights look bad \"***\" when they are full veterans

Best Ever wrote:

secretfire6 wrote:

I know there are some tricks to get it to attack what you want

If I'm not mistaken, the best you can do is move closer to the target you want, and press S to reset the units orders.

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If the neo dragon had been Creon's 'holy dragon' then I would have no problem with it at all as it is, but since it's supposed to be their answer to sky knights and drakes and can be made en masse I think it needs to be at least less manuverable.

I don't think Neo is an answer to drakes and sky knights, Neo is much more expensive. Neo is a unique Creon unit, with unique Creon characteristics (appearance, blue fire and ability to freeze enemies).

S is the "stop" command isn't it? Wouldn't that make the jugg try to land temporarily? I use the same idea, but with the "move" command. That seems to reset its targets for the bombs. one usually targets the closest enemy and the other still lobs out randomly. I just keep telling it to move in tiny increments until it targets what I want with a bomb. There is also the periphery tactic. The jugg's LOS is nice and wide and it will lock on with all three weapons at the first thing in range if that's the ONLY thing in range. So if there aren't bunches of ground troops running all over and you know how to 'kite' you can focus on one enemy or structure at a time. This works best when you're silver or gold.

you know you're right the cost and build time does balance it out and Creon doesn't have many units to begin with, so I can see why the Neo was boosted from a gameplay standpoint. It drives the logic part of my brain nuts though..that and I so get tired of loosing half of my attacking army to 3 or 4 neo dragons flying in, freeze, freeze,freeze, then fly off right before they die. When I'm Aramon I don't have anything to distract them with besides the Gold Dragon. It's tough storming Creon with Aramon unless there's a unit mix i haven't thought of yet...hmmm.

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secretfire6 wrote:

Best Ever wrote:

secretfire6 wrote:

I know there are some tricks to get it to attack what you want

If I'm not mistaken, the best you can do is move closer to the target you want, and press S to reset the units orders.

S is the "stop" command isn't it? Wouldn't that make the jugg try to land temporarily? I use the same idea, but with the "move" command. That seems to reset its targets for the bombs. one usually targets the closest enemy and the other still lobs out randomly. I just keep telling it to move in tiny increments until it targets what I want with a bomb. There is also the periphery tactic. The jugg's LOS is nice and wide and it will lock on with all three weapons at the first thing in range if that's the ONLY thing in range. So if there aren't bunches of ground troops running all over and you know how to 'kite' you can focus on one enemy or structure at a time. This works best when you're silver or gold.

I'm not 100% right about this, but even if you move the Aerial he won't stop bombing what he was locking on until that unit is killed. So unless you press stop, Jugg won't stop hitting that Keep, when you just want to target that Stronghold.

Ah... you press S but of course you move after it.

Lord ZacDom wrote:

I love the Neo Dragon and gold dragon. in single player a gold dragon can wipe out entire zhon bases with one wave (if crusades balance is off). People under estimate the ancient dragon, but i think it is as good or even better than black and sea dragons. I want to have a dragon battle one day. like have everyone make there dragon, delete all other units and truly test each ones ability. and sky knights look bad \"***\" when they are full veterans

ancient dragon is the worst this is fact (i like zhon)

only ancient dragon got edge of effectivnes for wave skill (50%) all other dragons got 100%


ok look at stats (crusade ballance ofc)
speed: 7 gold 8 ancient, sea , 9 black
health: something the same 23759-ancient, 23946-black, 23988-sea 23999-gold
cost: 28944-gold 29666-black 32114-ancient 34287-sea


(soon i will contiune)

Spagg made a thread comparing dragons here:

http://kingdoms.heavenforum.org/t773-best-worstlegendary-dragons#6977

ohh
didnt know it

(during writing last post i get busy by roommates )


but my general idea was that ancient dragon is the worst because of edge of effectivnes weapon 3 (50%)
and also crapy AoE
comparing to Sea dragon which take trebuchet in one hit (almost same AoE and dont got crapy Edge of Effectivnes)

ya also in my opinion the best is black dragon(hybrid universal) then sea dragon (for specific structure and best in my eyes 2nd weapon) then gold dragon (vs typicall massive of units but slowest) ancient dragon (if no other choose)

anyway dragons got almost the same everything expect 3rd weapon and some small difference in 2nd weapon (and maybe cost can make difference)

I just want to know why the ancient dragon can't see as well as the others and why he drifts away from bastions and strongholds just enough so they can shoot him when he's attacking

secretfire6 wrote:

I just want to know why the ancient dragon can't see as well as the others and why he drifts away from bastions and strongholds just enough so they can shoot him when he's attacking

Dragon statistics change from version to version (I think Ancient Dragon has been improved to later version, though not sure about it). Anyway, many flying units must retreat from their target before engaging it; I think it has to do with air traffic or something. But I agree with you; sometimes this can be annoying, yet easy to deal with.
As far as I know, Ancient Dragon can attack Strongholds and other towers while standing almost directly on top of them, so it can't be attacked by Strongholds & stuff. Next time, if your dragon isn't placed where you want it to be, try to micro it and place it a little nearer to its target. That will do the trick.

I voted for creon neo dragon and taros black dragon for their speed and efficiency. Once you get the wave with the black dragon, then it's easy to make it veteran, and it ends up being a killer.